FAQs


FAQ's for 2015 events will open once events are posted. 

 

Below are 2014 Public Power Lineworkers Rodeo FAQs. 


 

FAQ submission is now closed. Competitors may ask event judges questions during a 5 minute period prior to competiting in each event. All FAQ's recieved prior to 3/28 are listed below. 


Rodeo FAQs

General Rodeo Rules

1. Who is qualified to enter, and what is a team?
A person considered an apprentice for 4 years after they enter an apprentice program. A team consists of two journeyman linemen and one ground support person.  The groundman remains groundman for all five events.  If a team member is hurt, that individual is out of the competition for the remainder of the events.  The team can then substitute an alternate for the one hurt.  The groundman can be an alternate if he/she is a journeyman lineworker. 

2. Where do Lineworkers have to be employed?
All participants must be employed by an APPA member municipal utility, joint action agency, or state/regional association.

3. 2014 Costs

Category Price by Feb. 26, 2013 Price Feb. 27 - March 12
Team with judge $450.00 (each) $500.00 (each)
Team without judge $550.00 (each) $600.00 (each)
Apprentice $250.00 (each) $300.00 (each)
Training courses $50.00 (each) $75.00 (each)

 *This is a non-profit organization with all fees used for Rodeo costs.*

4. Will any events be in aerial buckets?
No.

5. Will the simulated “hot” events be gloved?
4KV events can be rubber gloved class 2 or higher, 12K events will be worked with sticks.

6. Do we have to sign a liability release?
Yes.  A Release form must be signed by all competitors and volunteers of the Lineworkers Rodeo. The release form will be sent to Registrants in early March, and is due by March 21. You will also have the opportunity to sign this form on Friday, April 4, during registration at the Renaissance Oklahoma City Convention Center Hotel.

7. On what items will we be scored?
Safety procedures; work practices; equipment handling; neatness; and timely completion of each event.

8. Who will be the judges?
All employees at APPA member utilities, JAAs, or state/regional associations who have Lineworker experience can apply to be a judge. We welcome and encourage judges from all participating utilities. 

9. Will there be any causes for immediate disqualification?
Yes. Please refer to the general rules for further details.

10. How many teams can come from a utility or utility division?
No limit has been set.

11. Will there be a first aid station and paramedic on the grounds?
Yes

12. Will concessions be available?
Yes

13. Do we have to furnish any tools?
Yes.  Please be sure to mark your tools clearly with your name or utility name for clear identification. Please refer to information packet for further details.

14. May I ask the event judge questions?
Yes, before you begin your event, but not while he/she is judging. You have a maximum of 5 minutes to ask questions and lay out tools. Also, the FAQ submission process will be open until 12 p.m. ET on March 28.

15. Will video footage be allowed to settle judging disputes?
No.

16. If I disagree with a deduction, may I contest the call?
Although we try to avoid any contested calls, there may be a time when you feel that you need to contest a deduction.  If you elect to contest a call, the event judge will contact the Chief Judge for your event to make a ruling.  If, in your opinion, the Chief Judge does not settle the dispute, you will have the right to ask that it be forwarded to the Appeals Committee.  The Appeals Committee will consist of both Master Judges for the Rodeo, along with the Chief Judge of the event of the call in question. The decision made by the Appeals Committee is final. This proces is also outlined in the general rules.

17. May I use Velcro straps on my climbers?
Yes, although Velcro straps must be used as manufactured.  No modifications, such as cutting the Velcro shorter, are allowed.

18. Where can I hang the hand line?
Prior to covering the neutral the hand line throat can be hung above neutral as long as the block ends up below neutral and no contact is made with uncovered neutral.

19. Can I get a diagram of each event?
Event overviews, construction diagrams and materials lists and event photos for each apprentice and journeyman team event are posted.

20. Who should I call if I have any other questions?

Laura Cornwell: Phone: (202) 467-2989
E-mail: LCornwell@PublicPower.org
 
Puesh Kumar: Phone: (202) 467-2985
E-mail: PKumar@PublicPower.org

21. How can I order tents, tables and chairs for the Rodeo Grounds? What are the prices?
Use this form to submit a tent rental. The contact at Edmond Electric is Frankie Lauderdale. 

22. What is the shipping address for the rodeo grounds? How early do I need to ship?
Please make sure items are only shipped one week prior to the rodeo and shipments are prepaid both ways or they will not be shipped back and will likely be discarded after the rode.           

Edmond Electric
Attn: Justin Bingham
2012 Old Timbers Drive
Edmond, OK 73034
Phone: (405) 216-7665

23. Do all teams, alternates, and judges receive banquet tickets?
Registration for teams, apprentice, judges, greeters/auditors, and volunteers includes a complimentary banquet ticket and t-shirt. You can order banquet tickets by clicking here. We strongly advise you to purchase banquet tickets ahead of time as they do tend to sell out.

24. Once the containers have been shipped to the appropriate location, are the utilities responsible for pickup on the morning of the rodeo or will Edmond staff be transporting the containers to the rodeo site for each team?
Edmond will be responsible for moving equipment to Rodeo site.

Please review event specs and posted FAQs before submitting a question.
Please send your comments, questions or suggestions to
Rodeo@PublicPower.org


 

Apprentice Event FAQs

Alley Arm Insulator Change Out

1. Will there be conductor, to tie and untie, on the insulators, or will we be replacing just the insulators alone?
No there will not be any wire tied on the insulator.

2. Will the apprentice be allowed to set the bag on their knees / legs while they are changing out the spools. 
No. 

3. After changing the pin insulator do you have to drop your bag to the ground, before climbing down to change the secondary spools? Or can i suspend the bag from my arm? 
No, It does not have to go to the ground as long as you are not climbing with the bag. 
 
4. Will you be able to hang the grunt bag on the alley arm brace.
Yes
 
5. After changing out neutral spools do we have to send bag back down to climb up to alley arm?
No. But you can't climb with the bag in hand or hang it on your belt.
 

6. Will we be required to change out the neutral spools first? Can we start with the primary insulator?
They can be changed out in any order.

7. Will we be allowed to hang the tool bag on the corss arm?
Yes.

Transformer Arrester Change Out

1. Is there a protective cap on the arrester (animal guard)?
No

2. May I hang the shotgun stick on the neutral after I have removed the hot tap?
No the shotgun stick must be stored in the bag.

3. Will you need to cover the neutral before lifting the topside jumper?
Yes

4. Can the climber hang a bag on the hook attached to the line hose bag, already attached to the pole?
Yes

5. Can a climber remove hotline clamp and leave it on shotgun stick then set in shotgun bag.
No

6. Does the entire event have to be run in rubber gloves. Where does my arrester bag have to hang while.
Referred APPA safety Manual use and care of rubber gloves. Hang the arrester bag on the pole.

7. Can you hang your tool bag on the bottom transformer bracket. The tool bag will be holding the arrestor & will be hung with a meat hook or pea line. 
Yes, also refer APPA Rodeo General rules 2-point deduction #23.

 
8. Are rubber gloves required for this event? If so what parts of the event are they needed for? Can we change out of them and into our leathers when rubbers are not required? 
In the set up time leather gloves are required, For rubber gloves Refer APPA Rodeo General rules #2 and APPA safety manual 407 ( c ).
 

Hurtman Rescue

1. Just confirming that apprentices are running hurt man rescue in rubber gloves.
Yes, you need rubber gloves for this event.

2. On Hurtman is the handline upside down so that the hook is at the feet and the snap is at the chest or is it the other way around? 
Yes, the  handline in normally reversed for Hurtman with hook on bottom, if not the apprentice can change the handline during their setup time.

Obstacle Course

1. Is the top arm reset to the front of the pole before each competitor runs the event. Can i stand on the crossarm. If the top arm isn't reset, can it mount on the back side of the pole.
The top arm will NOT be reset. Competitors can NOT stand on crossarms or use arms or braces to climb. Crossarm can be mounted on any quarter of the pole as long as its moved 90 degrees from last position.

2. When throwing in the cutout can you use the curved part of the hotstick to hook the fuse barrel to throw it back in? 
The extendo stick must have an attachment designed for inserting into the eye of the fuse tube and shall be closed in that manner.

Written Test

1. When will we know the scores for the written test? 
Competitors will be able to find out their test scores on Saturday at the General Information tent on the rodeo grounds. Competitors will need to have completed their other 4 events on Saturday before coming to General Information Tent to receive their written test results. The chief judge and APPA staff will be at the General Information tent from 11:30 to 2:00 or until after the other apprentice events have finished competition for the day.


 

Journeyman Event FAQs

12-kV Post-Insulator Change Out

***ATTENTION***
(2/5/2014) There has been a change to the 12kV Post-Insulator Change Out event description due to some of the questions that have been asked. It has come to our attention that some of utilities are limited on equipment to perform this event as it was originally written. The Rodeo Committee has decided to re-write the description to allow for alternative methods of hotsticking. Please visit the Journeyman Events page for the new documentation.

1. On the 12kv Post insulator, line seven about positive points of control, will a lineman holding a hand line or wire tong be acceptable?                                          
One lineman or the groundman can operate the handline or the blocks while the other lineman is in position to lock down and control the hotstick movement. They must work as a team while moving the conductor while using two points of control.

2. On the post insulator changeout will tagging out and a hold stick be sufficient for the two points of control?
If you are planning to use (1) wire tong and (1) saddle and tagging the conductor down to the ground, you will still be required to have two positive points of control. Both Lineman must lift the conductor off of the insulator with approved conductor handling hot sticks (Shotguns will not be accepted). When tagged out the conductor must be secured to an anchor point on the ground and will not be permitted to be held by the Groundman. No work can be performed until the conductor is secured in a safe position.

3. Do you have to maintain two points of control on the conductor itself or will the wire tong and pole saddle be the two points. please clarify.
Yes, you must maintain two points of positive control at all times. One wire tong with two saddles covers it. However lifting the conductor will have to be performed with the use of blocks or a handline that is controlled by someone other than the lineman that is controlling the wire tong. In other words… One lineman can’t do it all.

4. If using the proper phase lifting stick clamped on the phase and the 2 brackets attached to the pole with a hand line hooked at the bottom of the stick lifting the phase that the groundman controls, is that considered two points of control? Or does there need to be a tag line on the phase also?
Yes, that is considered two points of positive control. A tag line will not be needed in this scenario.

5. Does everything going up and down the pole on the handline need to be in a bag? Previous years they said yes but we still saw teams hooking hardware, tools, etc. directly to the handline with no bag attached and not getting any gigs.
No. All tools and equipment must go up and down on the handline. The use of the proper sized bags shall be left to the discretion of the competitors unless stated otherwise in the individual events. Also competitors shall not carry equipment up on their belt or in their diddy bag (small items only; i.e. nuts, washers, grommets, small bolts, etc.)

6. Will the insulator be considered a point of control? As in one lineman has a clamp stick holding the phase on the insulator will that be considered two points of contact? 
The insulator will be considered one point of control if there at least six wraps of tie wire on the conductor.

7. If we keep our "MAD" distance from the primary, are we still required to cover? 
Cover is required if you break the listed minimum approach distance.

8. How do you attach the tie wire to the insulator? It appears that the tie is passed around the neck of the insulator, then buttoned onto itself and then trimmed off; a second tie is then installed on the opposite side. Is this correct? Is there a minimum or maximum length of left over tail that is acceptable when the tie is completed on the line?
There must be exactly 6 wraps of the tie wire on both sides of the conductor. The tails of the tie wire must not be longer than 2” to the tying eyelet. Learn more here.

9. On the 12 kv post-insulator change out, do you have to cover the pole top with cover up while un tying and tying in the conductor?
Energized parts and/or conductor must not touch the pole.

10. Regarding the 12kv insu change-out, can a “hot rope” be used to hold the down while conductor is being tied-untied or does the “hot rope” have to have an insulated link stick attached? 
There must be an insulated link stick attached to the rope.

11. Regarding the 12kv insu change-out, how many ties are to be used one or two? There is conflicting information. 
One single hot tie.
 
12. Regarding the 12kv insu change-out, do you consider the “mechanical hand” hot stick an approved tool to move the phase? 
A clamp stick or jumper holding stick or other type is acceptable. A shotgun will not be acceptable for moving the conductor.
 
13. Will the ground man be allowed to put an eye in the tie wire during the 5 minute set up time. 
As stated in the event description, the tie will be made up after the event time begins. See specification #5.
 
14. Will there be an anchor point for the tag line on the ground? If so how far from the pole will it be? 
No, teams must provide their own method of anchoring within their event area.
 
15. Are the mean times correct on this event?? And can you use a snubbing rope and choker it around the pole to hold a bag to put your sticks in? 
Yes the mean times are correct. Yes the bag may be suspended from the pole only via a snubbing rope or choker.
 
16. In this event will the groundsman be allowed to hold the phase with the use of a insulated link and a tag rope / handline. 
Please refer back to FAQ #2. On the post insulator changeout will tagging out and a hold stick be sufficient for the two points of control?
If you are planning to use (1) wire tong and (1) saddle and tagging the conductor down to the ground, you will still be required to have two positive points of control. Both Lineman must lift the conductor off of the insulator with approved conductor handling hot sticks (Shotguns will not be accepted). When tagged out the conductor must be secured to an anchor point on the ground and will not be permitted to be held by the Groundman. No work can be performed until the conductor is secured in a safe position.
 
17. Can we hang tie stick on wire using c-assist?
No, the tie sticks must be kept in a bag and are not permitted to hang from the conductor in any way.
 
18. You did not answer the question "can the eyes in the tie wire be made up durin the 5 minute set time?. You answered it by stating "to see specification #5".
Specification #5 states that the "HOT tie will be placed on the new insulator after time starts"...not anything about making up the eyes on the HOT tie. So here's the question asked: Can the eyes, required on the HOT tie, be made up during the 5 minute set up time?
No, the entire tie including the eyes will be made up and attached to the insulator after the event time starts.
 
19. Is a "P" tie acceptable for this event? Or will there be a model of the tie required?
The required tie is in the event photo and described in #8 on the FAQ page.
 

4kV Crossarm Change Out

1. Does the neutral clevis and neutral have to be covered in this event? It does not state that it does in the description.
Yes.

2. Is this event utilizing C-Neck or F-Neck insulators. According to our catalog. A PPC 5127 insulator is a F-Neck type insulator. The Wraplock calls for a preformed WTC-0106 and is desinged for a C-Neck insulator.
The insulators being used in this event will be F-neck, The wraplock is a WTF-0206 not the WTC-0106 that is showing on the material list.

3. Does the neutral and clevis need to be covered on this event.
Yes they need to be covered.

4. Will one climber be allowed to run the handline from the ground while the groundsman frames the new arm.
Yes, as long as the climber has on gaff guards or is not wearing them at the time of doing the ground work / running the handline.

5. Is the 8 minute mean time correct? 
Yes it is.

6. Question: Are the stud bolts going to need to be installed after the time starts or will they be in the insulators? Are the nuts for the pins for the insulators square or hex nuts?
The stud bolts will stay in the insulators. The nuts will be square on a 5/8” bolt.
 

600 Amp Switch Replacement

***ATTENTION***

(2/6/2014) The Rodeo Committee has decided to remove all washers from the connection of the jumper to the disconnect switch. There will only be bolts through the top of the connection with a nut on the bottom side. Please visit the Journeyman Events page for the new documentation.

1. In the past the 600 Amp switch was located outside of the DA's, so it could be loosened and then slid over the ends of the arm. Will the event at the rodeo be framed like the spec, or like in the past?
The switch will be mounted inside of the DA bolts as shown in the diagram.

2. Can the climbers disconnect the switch jumper at the fargo connector and send the switch down to the groundman? Does the two hole lugs have to be disconnected on the switch?
The lugs will be disconnected from the switch and the jumper will be folded back under the proper cover.

3. The picture shows 4 bolts mounting switch. In the past there was just 2 on inside of doubles. Will the two outside be removed before event?
Just like the picture. That is what is on the web site.

4. After the mechanical is placed bypassing the switch can the switch be opened by hand? Or does it even have to be opened?
It has to be tested. The only time that the switch will be required to be opened will be after the switch is installed on the crossarms. It must be opened and closed for testing purposes prior to removing the mechanical. 

Hurtman Rescue

1. On the hurtman event, in the rules description, there are a couple of "must" 's which lead me to believe the event is supposed to be done exactly how it is worded description. In other words, does the legs of the hurt man have to be tied first before the rescue loop around his chest?
No the legs of the hurtman do not have to be tied first before the rescue loop around his chest.

4kV Four Bell Change Out

1. It states in the specs the permanent jumper must be covered. Are we protecting from contact underneath, or acroos top of arm ? # 6 copper is flimsy and would like clarification of what exactly needs covering.
If the permanent jumper is NOT temporarily replaced by a covered/insulated  temporary jumper, then to prevent accidentally energizing hardware, pole, or cross arm(s) when changing an insulator adequate covering of the permanent jumper must be used.

2. Do we have to install a temporary jumper before we change bells? or can we properly cover permanent jumper and change the bells if in a safe manner?
If the permanent jumper is NOT temporarily replaced by a covered/insulated  temporary jumper, then to prevent accidentally energizing hardware, pole, or cross arm(s) when changing an insulator adequate covering of the permanent jumper must be used. 

3. Do you have to use a s.g. stick to take the jumpers off? and put the mac on?
No, this is a 4kV rubber glove event (ground to ground),  however all applicable safety rules apply.  

4. Do you have to use a link stick.. If you do where do you want it positioned. Do You you have to use a sling to catch hoist around the arm. 
All tools/equipment that contacts the primary must be insulated from all ground sources, i.e. cross arm(s), pole, pins etc.  It matters not what side an insulating device is installed as long as it allows for the minimum approach distance to be maintained from the energized rigging, and it provides the stated protection from ground sources.

5. Will a hot hoist with a nylon strap laid over a rubber blanket on the arm clipped into two grips be considered enough protection?
No, unless the strap is adequately covered from the arm(s) to the grips or insulated link sticks rated for 4kV or higher are used between the grips and hot hoist.


 

General Event FAQs

1. Will all of the climbing events require fall protection equipment to be utilized?
APPA Rodeo does not require use of fall protection devices, but competitors are required to follow all safety rules, guidelines, and best practices of their home utility.

2. What is the address for the Rodeo competition on Staurday, April 5?
The Rodeo competition will take place in Edmond at JL Mitch Park, 3224 N. Santa Fe Ave., Edmond, OK, 73012.

3. If a Journeyman moves into another position at the utility and is no longer a Lineman, are they still eligible to compete in the Rodeo?
Historically this event has allowed anyone to compete as a Journeyman on a team if an employee of a utility were ever classified as a Lineman. It is really up to the individual utility to decide if a person qualifies for the requirements of the competition. For instance, if the Journeyman is now in a supervisory role within the same scope of work then it would be fully acceptable to have them compete on a team. On the other hand, if the Journeyman went into a totally unrelated field (i.e. Customer Service, Finance, Human Resources) then I would say that they would no longer be qualified. Again it would really be up to the individual utility to use their discretion.

4. We have a Journeyman that is competing in an event and he may have to have surgery. If he does can the Groundman take his place or does the Alternate have too? The Groundman is qualified to climb.
If the groundman is a journeyman then yes. If the groundman is an apprentice then the answer is no.

5.Where do Lineworkers have to be employed?
All participants must be employed by an APPA member municipal utility, joint action agency, or state/regional association.

6. Can the ground man load the bag before time starts and if so does he have to empty it before tim stops?
The bags may be loaded during setup time and will not be required to unload them prior to stopping the event time.

7. Do you consider a handline a tool? In other words, can the handline be hung on an arm(s) out of the MAD ?
Yes a handline is a tool. It is permissible to hang on the pole and crossarms as long as the block is not above an uncovered energized conductor.

8. Do the hot tools & rubber cover,( blankets, hoses, sticks & mech jumpers), have to be tested up to date?
No, a lot of the tools used for the rodeo are old and abused equipment. We will not be looking for test dates. However they must be adequate for the requirements of the individual events.